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It's the time you've all been waiting for, where we learn Who tops more in hd-fan-fair fics, Draco or Harry?
The impetus for this project came from my original "Who Tops More" post, where I looked at nearly 1500 fics from my own personal database. That post generated a ton of feedback in the comments, which made me decide to run the numbers again, this time looking at just the fics written for the
hd_fan_fair fest, which has run since 2009, with a gap in 2011.
The results are at the bottom of this post. Before I get to them, I just want to explain FAQ-style how this project came about and how the data was collected and labeled.
Why use data from hd-fan-fair? What's so special about that fest?
The proposal to use data from
hd_fan_fair originally came from
eidheann_writes in a comment thread on the original "Who Tops More" post:
And that made a lot of sense to me. And there are several other benefits to using a fest as a data source:
And we can do this again with another fest if people are interested. Just let me know!
How did you compile the data?
We crowd-sourced it! If you want more background on how this was done, you can get caught up with these posts:
Huge thanks once again to (in alpha order)
birdsofshore,
cabinetcaligari,
cagnurit,
dicta_contrion,
eidheann_writes,
gracerene,
iwao,
khalulu, and
vaysh for being awesome and contributing to the spreadsheet. I love you guys! If I left out anyone who contributed, please let me know so I can thank you too!
Are you trying to make some sort of statement about who should top or bottom?
No! This study is meant to be descriptive of what sorts of fics have been written in the Draco/Harry fandom. It is in no way meant to be prescriptive in regards to what sorts of fics should be written. Please feel free to read and write whatever fics you like with whoever you prefer topping, bottoming, switching, or whatever. I am only interested in fanfiction trends because I'm a stats nerd, not because I want to tell you what to do :) (shout-out to
vaysh for explaining that so well in a comment on an earlier post)
What about fics where there's no penetration, are you counting those?
In this case, no. In my first "Who Tops More" post, I included a "no penetration" category where I lumped together all the fics I had read that didn't have explicit penetrative sex scenes. However, with this data set, I think that including this category would be problematic.
You see, in order to get the spreadsheet completed as quickly as possible, I didn't bother asking for info on fics rated PG-13 or less. What this means is that if there's a PG-13 fic where it's pretty clearly implied that they do have sex, just offscreen, I wouldn't be able to tell it apart from another PG-13 fic where all they do is hold hands or kiss. And then both of those fics might get lumped together as "no penetration" along with an NC-17 fic where Harry and Draco get up to all sorts of sexual shenanigans but just don't have penetrative sex. And it seems to me that by lumping them all together I'd be potentially implying something about how much sex occurs in HD fanfiction which wouldn't necessarily be accurate.
So in the charts and graphs below I'm just going to stick with bottom!Draco, bottom!Harry, and switching as categories. All the data is still there in the spreadsheet for anyone who wants to see it. It occurs to me that the question of "what sort of sexual activity (if any) goes on in fics if it's non-penetrative" is itself a potentially fascinating question, and one that could maybe be tackled in the future :)
How do I tell whether you've counted a fic as top/bottom or switching?
In the public spreadsheet (get the link in this post, or PM me) the first word in the top/bottom field indicates how I counted the fic. If it says "bottom!Draco (implied)" then that's counted as a bottom!Draco fic. If it says "switching; mostly bottom!Harry" then that's being counted as a switching fic. Etc.
There could be lots of extra information in the top/bottom field that's just there to clarify what went on in the fic and provide as much information as possible to readers, but for the purposes of what got counted as what, only the first word matters.
Results
Harry still tops more :) (i.e. bottom!Draco is more common than bottom!Harry). As we saw last time, the proportion of bottom!Harry fics seems to be increasing with time (with a weird anomaly in 2013), but not to the point of complete parity (in contrast with the earlier data set).
Note that the "Total (top/bottom)" column is only counting the total number of fics which had clear top/bottom/switching action going on. "Total (all fics)" counts all the fics posted to the fest that year.
Table
Graph
Sorry for the absence of year labels for 2009 and 2013. Google docs created this graph for me but was being picky about how it wanted to label things.

What does it all mean?
Well, that's a little bit above my pay grade - I do math people, not sociology :)
Still, it's pretty clear that no matter how you slice it, Harry tops more. And I think it's reasonably clear that Draco is beginning to catch up more as the years go on, though the actual rate of change is not quite as clear. (Seriously, what is going on with 2013?) Actually, what I think is going on is that numbers from each year are a bit too small to draw large sweeping conclusions from, especially 2013, which only included 10 top/bottom fics. I'd actually be very interested in collecting data from more and more fests and running the numbers again. Am I crazy?
Please do let me know what it all means to you in the comments :)
The impetus for this project came from my original "Who Tops More" post, where I looked at nearly 1500 fics from my own personal database. That post generated a ton of feedback in the comments, which made me decide to run the numbers again, this time looking at just the fics written for the
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The results are at the bottom of this post. Before I get to them, I just want to explain FAQ-style how this project came about and how the data was collected and labeled.
Why use data from hd-fan-fair? What's so special about that fest?
The proposal to use data from
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I don't know much about data sets, but would it be more telling to look at maybe a specific fest over the years (hd_fan_fair for example, which is a prompt (not a gift) fest which is long running but less likely to include people feeling obligated to write topping preferences due to prompts rather than gifts) and then use those stats over the years to draw conclusions?
I mean, smaller sample size but less chance of unintended bias?
And that made a lot of sense to me. And there are several other benefits to using a fest as a data source:
- You don't get WIPs
- The pub date is very clear and traceable
- You get a pool of works that all were written under similar constraints so it's the closest thing to apples-to-apples you can get
And we can do this again with another fest if people are interested. Just let me know!
How did you compile the data?
We crowd-sourced it! If you want more background on how this was done, you can get caught up with these posts:
- Crowd-sourcing Fan-fair Proposal - Spreadsheet link (f-locked)
- Progress Report #1
- Progress Report #2 - My f-list rocks!
- Progress Report #3 - Take a Poll
- Progress Report #4 - Poll Results and Spreadsheet Complete!
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Are you trying to make some sort of statement about who should top or bottom?
No! This study is meant to be descriptive of what sorts of fics have been written in the Draco/Harry fandom. It is in no way meant to be prescriptive in regards to what sorts of fics should be written. Please feel free to read and write whatever fics you like with whoever you prefer topping, bottoming, switching, or whatever. I am only interested in fanfiction trends because I'm a stats nerd, not because I want to tell you what to do :) (shout-out to
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What about fics where there's no penetration, are you counting those?
In this case, no. In my first "Who Tops More" post, I included a "no penetration" category where I lumped together all the fics I had read that didn't have explicit penetrative sex scenes. However, with this data set, I think that including this category would be problematic.
You see, in order to get the spreadsheet completed as quickly as possible, I didn't bother asking for info on fics rated PG-13 or less. What this means is that if there's a PG-13 fic where it's pretty clearly implied that they do have sex, just offscreen, I wouldn't be able to tell it apart from another PG-13 fic where all they do is hold hands or kiss. And then both of those fics might get lumped together as "no penetration" along with an NC-17 fic where Harry and Draco get up to all sorts of sexual shenanigans but just don't have penetrative sex. And it seems to me that by lumping them all together I'd be potentially implying something about how much sex occurs in HD fanfiction which wouldn't necessarily be accurate.
So in the charts and graphs below I'm just going to stick with bottom!Draco, bottom!Harry, and switching as categories. All the data is still there in the spreadsheet for anyone who wants to see it. It occurs to me that the question of "what sort of sexual activity (if any) goes on in fics if it's non-penetrative" is itself a potentially fascinating question, and one that could maybe be tackled in the future :)
How do I tell whether you've counted a fic as top/bottom or switching?
In the public spreadsheet (get the link in this post, or PM me) the first word in the top/bottom field indicates how I counted the fic. If it says "bottom!Draco (implied)" then that's counted as a bottom!Draco fic. If it says "switching; mostly bottom!Harry" then that's being counted as a switching fic. Etc.
There could be lots of extra information in the top/bottom field that's just there to clarify what went on in the fic and provide as much information as possible to readers, but for the purposes of what got counted as what, only the first word matters.
Results
Harry still tops more :) (i.e. bottom!Draco is more common than bottom!Harry). As we saw last time, the proportion of bottom!Harry fics seems to be increasing with time (with a weird anomaly in 2013), but not to the point of complete parity (in contrast with the earlier data set).
Note that the "Total (top/bottom)" column is only counting the total number of fics which had clear top/bottom/switching action going on. "Total (all fics)" counts all the fics posted to the fest that year.
Table
Year | bottom!Draco | bottom!Harry | switching | Total (top/bottom) |
Total (all fics) |
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2009 | 24 (67%) | 07 (19%) | 05 (14%) | 36 | 72 |
2010 | 10 (56%) | 04 (22%) | 04 (22%) | 18 | 50 |
2012 | 14 (64%) | 07 (32%) | 01 (04%) | 22 | 38 |
2013 | 08 (80%) | 02 (20%) | 00 (00%) | 10 | 34 |
2014 | 06 (50%) | 04 (33%) | 02 (17%) | 12 | 37 |
Overall | 62 (63%) | 24 (25%) | 12 (12%) | 98 | 231 |
Graph
Sorry for the absence of year labels for 2009 and 2013. Google docs created this graph for me but was being picky about how it wanted to label things.

What does it all mean?
Well, that's a little bit above my pay grade - I do math people, not sociology :)
Still, it's pretty clear that no matter how you slice it, Harry tops more. And I think it's reasonably clear that Draco is beginning to catch up more as the years go on, though the actual rate of change is not quite as clear. (Seriously, what is going on with 2013?) Actually, what I think is going on is that numbers from each year are a bit too small to draw large sweeping conclusions from, especially 2013, which only included 10 top/bottom fics. I'd actually be very interested in collecting data from more and more fests and running the numbers again. Am I crazy?
Please do let me know what it all means to you in the comments :)
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Date: 2015-04-06 06:46 am (UTC)Thanks so much for the awesome info you've provided us with!
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Date: 2015-04-06 08:30 am (UTC)Interesting to see the transition of top!Harry to bottom!Harry. I can imagine fanon!Draco and fanon!Harry are changing over time, but I'm not long enough in fandom to really know how Draco and Harry were seen in the beginning of fandom, compared to now.
For example, maybe there is a transition going from a snotty, feminine Draco to a more adult, redeemed Draco, or perhaps Draco is transforming into a dominant sex god. Or maybe Harry is less the Saviour and more the traumatized, troubled angsty young adult? Or maybe in earlier fics Draco was out already while Harry was questioning his sexuality, while in later fics they both were out already (and for first time sex, topping uses to be seen as less 'scary' than bottoming)?
Maybe we can also use other facts in your spreadsheet to gain some more insight? I'm thinking we could use the variable 'time frame' to see of there's a transition in time frame over time, too, and my hypothesis would be that the older they are, the more Draco's topping in fics.
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Date: 2015-04-06 03:09 pm (UTC)So the question here is whether the age of the characters in the fic has any correlation with who tops or bottoms. I don't know, but yeah, we could certainly try to find out! We would need to beef up the data in the "time frame" field to get more details, and as a data nerd I always welcome more data :)
It is my hope, actually, that people will continue to add data to the spreadsheet as they read more fics. It would be a lovely resource for fans for as long as people want it. And we'll have enough data to keep me (and everyone) busy answering these questions for a long time to come :)
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Date: 2015-04-06 09:26 am (UTC)Thank you so much for all the work and everyone who filled the blanks! I'm too curious how the statistics will change over time.
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Date: 2015-04-06 10:48 am (UTC)Anyway. I'm totally in awe of your amazingness, amor. Thanks for this! (and also for all those fics I haven't read and now know exist! Lolol!) *huggles*
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Date: 2015-04-06 03:48 pm (UTC)And the angst v. fluff question is certainly ineteresting, it might just be harder to label fics consistently. I think not everyone would agree on what counts as angst or dark!fic. But then, maybe that's what polls are for :)
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Date: 2015-04-06 02:46 pm (UTC)I'm a multishipper rather than specifically a H/D person, so I don't have any insights into shifts in fanon that could account for the changes — I just don't read enough H/D to gauge it. But it does strike me that in general, as HP has passed its peak of popularity and continued on (I've been in the fandom since 2003), people's beliefs about characters and pairings have become less set-in-stone than they used to be. I think it's a combination of people being in the fandom for long enough that they want to write something new (maybe you've written a dozen bottom!Draco fics and trying it the other way around makes a well-established pairing feel new again?) and new people coming to the fandom without preconceived notions of how things must be.
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Date: 2015-04-06 03:32 pm (UTC)These are questions I'd really love to delve into. It's just harder to collect the data on pre-2007 fics because (a) there were not so many fests in the early days (see my Chart of HD fests) and (b) it's harder to find accurate publication dates for earlier fics (see my Dates Matter post). It's one of the reasons I'm so dedicated to finding true publication dates for fics. You can't really do any data mining if you don't have the data!
But I really enjoy hearing people's ideas on what factors could be affecting these trends - they give me lots of ideas for future studies!
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Date: 2015-04-06 03:15 pm (UTC)What it all means - who knows? I love all the speculation but it will be hard to draw definite conclusions.
Just for Fan Fair, there seems to be a decrease in explicit fic, which is something I totally would not have guessed. It may be that the more thematic focus of the fest (unusual careers, books, unusual locations) leads to more world-building fic, and less smut and romance – this just a hypothesis. But it would be really interesting to do a similar study with H/D Smoochfest where the fest focus is explicitly on romance, even when some awesome world-building fics are coming out of the fest every year.
The other fest that I think would be interesting for such a study is, of course, H/D Holidays and its successor H/D Erised. With H/D Holiday and Erised there is the additional fact that these are exchange fests, where participants can explicitly state their topping/bottoming preference in the sign-ups, and gift writers will usually stick to them.
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Date: 2015-04-06 03:35 pm (UTC)I do know that I myself don't read or write as much explicit sex now - the initial excitement/challenge of discovering that has lessened and I'm usually more interested in other parts of the story, unless the sex scenes are really integral to the plot and characterization or really deftly written. I have heard a few other people say "I used to only read NC-17 but now I often skim the sex."
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Date: 2015-04-06 05:29 pm (UTC)I keep feeling bad every time you thank me, because I did so very little and I did intend to do more! But I'll try to chip in again if you do go for it and look at other fests. It is fascinating.
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Date: 2015-04-06 05:39 pm (UTC)I'm just happy whenever anyone contributes at all, because the way crowd-sourcing works best is when there's actually a crowd :) The more people who contribute, the less work anyone has to do, so every little bit is appreciated.
And yeah, see what you can do about getting Harry his fair share of bumming! ♥♥
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Date: 2015-04-09 03:13 am (UTC)And fully in support of gathering more data! Would you definitely do other fests, vs a random sample from major archives? (If you do go fest, I would make an argument for hols/erised over smoochfest, inasmuch as I could see the happy ending requirement influencing characterization and, in turn, who tops, as discussed above.) Would you consider including other variables? Can this be a thing? (will totally be on board to be more helpful in a few weeks!)
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Date: 2015-04-09 03:34 am (UTC)And this is totally going to be a thing! My skills and interest fit best with gathering data from fests, not archives, however. This is for several reasons, some of which I laid out in the post. Most importantly, fests mean that the pub dates are not in question, which is something you can't be as sure of with archives. If I were to do a random sample from archives, I'd have to check each fic by hand to be sure of its pub date, and frankly that's not something I care to do for random fics (I like doing it for fics I've read and enjoyed because I like to keep track of these things, but doing it for random fics would be much more of a chore, unless I can get volunteers to help with that...hmmm, maybe someday).
And I think getting the dates right is important for the kind of trend analysis I'm trying to do. So for now, fests are where its at.
I also admit to a bit of an ulterior motive as well. I am simultaneously working on a project to count all fics posted to HD fests over the years. (I started this project here.) Getting spreadsheets made of all the major HD fests will contribute to that project as well as the "Who Tops More" project, so its like two birds with one stone, you know?
As for which fest to do next...well this is announcing it a little sooner than I meant to, but even as we speak
The choice of Smoochfest was mostly because I already had a bunch of the data ready and because I thought it would be manageable. But honestly, as long as people stay interested, I fully intend to keep going and try to get data on all the major fests, hd-holidays/erised definitely included.
And other variables? Yes yes yes. It's why I have more fields in the spreadsheet than just title/author/top-bottom. I have a not-so-secret hope that I can get people to help me collect data on lots more aspects of fanfic, like era, and word count, and rating, and on and on.
So this is a THING :)
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