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It's the time you've all been waiting for, where we learn Who tops more in hd-fan-fair fics, Draco or Harry?

The impetus for this project came from my original "Who Tops More" post, where I looked at nearly 1500 fics from my own personal database. That post generated a ton of feedback in the comments, which made me decide to run the numbers again, this time looking at just the fics written for the [livejournal.com profile] hd_fan_fair fest, which has run since 2009, with a gap in 2011.

The results are at the bottom of this post. Before I get to them, I just want to explain FAQ-style how this project came about and how the data was collected and labeled.

Why use data from hd-fan-fair? What's so special about that fest?
The proposal to use data from [livejournal.com profile] hd_fan_fair originally came from [livejournal.com profile] eidheann_writes in a comment thread on the original "Who Tops More" post:
I don't know much about data sets, but would it be more telling to look at maybe a specific fest over the years (hd_fan_fair for example, which is a prompt (not a gift) fest which is long running but less likely to include people feeling obligated to write topping preferences due to prompts rather than gifts) and then use those stats over the years to draw conclusions?
I mean, smaller sample size but less chance of unintended bias?

And that made a lot of sense to me. And there are several other benefits to using a fest as a data source:
  • You don't get WIPs
  • The pub date is very clear and traceable
  • You get a pool of works that all were written under similar constraints so it's the closest thing to apples-to-apples you can get

And we can do this again with another fest if people are interested. Just let me know!

How did you compile the data?
We crowd-sourced it! If you want more background on how this was done, you can get caught up with these posts:
Only the first post with the spreadsheet link is f-locked. If you want the link, just PM me.

Huge thanks once again to (in alpha order) [livejournal.com profile] birdsofshore, [livejournal.com profile] cabinetcaligari, [livejournal.com profile] cagnurit, [livejournal.com profile] dicta_contrion, [livejournal.com profile] eidheann_writes, [livejournal.com profile] gracerene, [livejournal.com profile] iwao, [livejournal.com profile] khalulu, and [livejournal.com profile] vaysh for being awesome and contributing to the spreadsheet. I love you guys! If I left out anyone who contributed, please let me know so I can thank you too!

Are you trying to make some sort of statement about who should top or bottom?
No! This study is meant to be descriptive of what sorts of fics have been written in the Draco/Harry fandom. It is in no way meant to be prescriptive in regards to what sorts of fics should be written. Please feel free to read and write whatever fics you like with whoever you prefer topping, bottoming, switching, or whatever. I am only interested in fanfiction trends because I'm a stats nerd, not because I want to tell you what to do :) (shout-out to [livejournal.com profile] vaysh for explaining that so well in a comment on an earlier post)

What about fics where there's no penetration, are you counting those?
In this case, no. In my first "Who Tops More" post, I included a "no penetration" category where I lumped together all the fics I had read that didn't have explicit penetrative sex scenes. However, with this data set, I think that including this category would be problematic.

You see, in order to get the spreadsheet completed as quickly as possible, I didn't bother asking for info on fics rated PG-13 or less. What this means is that if there's a PG-13 fic where it's pretty clearly implied that they do have sex, just offscreen, I wouldn't be able to tell it apart from another PG-13 fic where all they do is hold hands or kiss. And then both of those fics might get lumped together as "no penetration" along with an NC-17 fic where Harry and Draco get up to all sorts of sexual shenanigans but just don't have penetrative sex. And it seems to me that by lumping them all together I'd be potentially implying something about how much sex occurs in HD fanfiction which wouldn't necessarily be accurate.

So in the charts and graphs below I'm just going to stick with bottom!Draco, bottom!Harry, and switching as categories. All the data is still there in the spreadsheet for anyone who wants to see it. It occurs to me that the question of "what sort of sexual activity (if any) goes on in fics if it's non-penetrative" is itself a potentially fascinating question, and one that could maybe be tackled in the future :)

How do I tell whether you've counted a fic as top/bottom or switching?
In the public spreadsheet (get the link in this post, or PM me) the first word in the top/bottom field indicates how I counted the fic. If it says "bottom!Draco (implied)" then that's counted as a bottom!Draco fic. If it says "switching; mostly bottom!Harry" then that's being counted as a switching fic. Etc.

There could be lots of extra information in the top/bottom field that's just there to clarify what went on in the fic and provide as much information as possible to readers, but for the purposes of what got counted as what, only the first word matters.

Results
Harry still tops more :) (i.e. bottom!Draco is more common than bottom!Harry). As we saw last time, the proportion of bottom!Harry fics seems to be increasing with time (with a weird anomaly in 2013), but not to the point of complete parity (in contrast with the earlier data set).

Note that the "Total (top/bottom)" column is only counting the total number of fics which had clear top/bottom/switching action going on. "Total (all fics)" counts all the fics posted to the fest that year.

Table

Year bottom!Draco bottom!Harry switching Total
(top/bottom)
Total
(all fics)
2009 24 (67%) 07 (19%) 05 (14%) 36 72
2010 10 (56%) 04 (22%) 04 (22%) 18 50
2012 14 (64%) 07 (32%) 01 (04%) 22 38
2013 08 (80%) 02 (20%) 00 (00%) 10 34
2014 06 (50%) 04 (33%) 02 (17%) 12 37
Overall 62 (63%) 24 (25%) 12 (12%) 98 231



Graph
Sorry for the absence of year labels for 2009 and 2013. Google docs created this graph for me but was being picky about how it wanted to label things.





What does it all mean?
Well, that's a little bit above my pay grade - I do math people, not sociology :)

Still, it's pretty clear that no matter how you slice it, Harry tops more. And I think it's reasonably clear that Draco is beginning to catch up more as the years go on, though the actual rate of change is not quite as clear. (Seriously, what is going on with 2013?) Actually, what I think is going on is that numbers from each year are a bit too small to draw large sweeping conclusions from, especially 2013, which only included 10 top/bottom fics. I'd actually be very interested in collecting data from more and more fests and running the numbers again. Am I crazy?

Please do let me know what it all means to you in the comments :)

Date: 2015-04-06 05:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] khalulu
2013 was the book fair, whereas the other years were career fair or travel fair. Don't know if that made a difference.

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Date: 2015-04-06 06:46 am (UTC)
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I think this is very cool! And I think it's a great idea to do it for more fests and run the results for them combined!

Thanks so much for the awesome info you've provided us with!

Date: 2015-04-06 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cabinetcaligari.livejournal.com
Oh, that is so cool! Thank you for all the work you put into this!
Interesting to see the transition of top!Harry to bottom!Harry. I can imagine fanon!Draco and fanon!Harry are changing over time, but I'm not long enough in fandom to really know how Draco and Harry were seen in the beginning of fandom, compared to now.
For example, maybe there is a transition going from a snotty, feminine Draco to a more adult, redeemed Draco, or perhaps Draco is transforming into a dominant sex god. Or maybe Harry is less the Saviour and more the traumatized, troubled angsty young adult? Or maybe in earlier fics Draco was out already while Harry was questioning his sexuality, while in later fics they both were out already (and for first time sex, topping uses to be seen as less 'scary' than bottoming)?

Maybe we can also use other facts in your spreadsheet to gain some more insight? I'm thinking we could use the variable 'time frame' to see of there's a transition in time frame over time, too, and my hypothesis would be that the older they are, the more Draco's topping in fics.

Date: 2015-04-06 09:26 am (UTC)
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Thank you so much for all the work and everyone who filled the blanks! I'm too curious how the statistics will change over time.
<333

Date: 2015-04-06 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cagnurit.livejournal.com
Yeah, 2013 is kinda strange. While bottom!Harry was always around 20~30% throughout the years, bottom!Draco was 80% in 2013 (not to mention that year also had 'Bottom!Draco Adaptations Fest'
http://bottom-draco.livejournal.com/1294305.html)

Date: 2015-04-06 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frnklymrshnkly.livejournal.com
This is so interesting--thank you so much for compiling this! I wish I had a better idea of what made bottom!Draco so much more popular, especially in the earlier years, but I spent my first 8 or so years in the fandom doing my best to avoid bottom!Draco, so I have no idea what's changed. Like [livejournal.com profile] cabinetcaligari I think it's possible that some read the snottier, younger Malfoy as more feminised. Though I also like the explanation that he was out first, which led to Harry topping in first-time scenarios...

Date: 2015-04-06 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iwao.livejournal.com
This is fantastic work, really interesting! :D I wonder if there is a way to see if the trend holds true for darker fics. I mean, angst vs fluff type of thing.

Anyway. I'm totally in awe of your amazingness, amor. Thanks for this! (and also for all those fics I haven't read and now know exist! Lolol!) *huggles*

Date: 2015-04-06 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cabinetcaligari.livejournal.com
Oh, I would love to rummage around with this data some more, and see if there's any correlation between topping and type of fic, among other things. If [livejournal.com profile] snowgall is okay with that, of course. Although I wouldn't be surprised if she's researching this herself, already ;)
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Date: 2015-04-06 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carowren.livejournal.com
It seems like these statistics might be why Draco tops Harry fest is so well loved- (aside from being awesome) it fills gap and provides a balancing force. Great work.

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Date: 2015-04-06 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] this-bloody-cat.livejournal.com
Hahaha 2013, a year for no-switching! I know I'm quiet (I rarely have anything useful to add) but these posts have been a real joy to read -- so interesting! :)

Date: 2015-04-06 02:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gracerene
Oh this whole thing is so interesting to look at, and it's cool because it pretty much confirms what I'd been thinking in terms of trends. Definitely would be interested in seeing more stats, if you're up for it! :D

Date: 2015-04-06 02:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pauraque
I've been reading these posts with fascination. Thanks for doing the work!

I'm a multishipper rather than specifically a H/D person, so I don't have any insights into shifts in fanon that could account for the changes — I just don't read enough H/D to gauge it. But it does strike me that in general, as HP has passed its peak of popularity and continued on (I've been in the fandom since 2003), people's beliefs about characters and pairings have become less set-in-stone than they used to be. I think it's a combination of people being in the fandom for long enough that they want to write something new (maybe you've written a dozen bottom!Draco fics and trying it the other way around makes a well-established pairing feel new again?) and new people coming to the fandom without preconceived notions of how things must be.

Date: 2015-04-06 03:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
H/D Fan Fair is a small data base, but I am still pleased that my gut-level feeling that fandom still favours bottom!Draco (and not to an unsubstantial degree) is correct. Snowgall, thank you so much for doing this study in such a professional way. :)

What it all means - who knows? I love all the speculation but it will be hard to draw definite conclusions.

Just for Fan Fair, there seems to be a decrease in explicit fic, which is something I totally would not have guessed. It may be that the more thematic focus of the fest (unusual careers, books, unusual locations) leads to more world-building fic, and less smut and romance – this just a hypothesis. But it would be really interesting to do a similar study with H/D Smoochfest where the fest focus is explicitly on romance, even when some awesome world-building fics are coming out of the fest every year.

The other fest that I think would be interesting for such a study is, of course, H/D Holidays and its successor H/D Erised. With H/D Holiday and Erised there is the additional fact that these are exchange fests, where participants can explicitly state their topping/bottoming preference in the sign-ups, and gift writers will usually stick to them.

Date: 2015-04-06 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] khalulu
Do you think that there are more fests now that are sex-focused, that might have siphoned off the more explicit writing? I don't have a sense of overall fests.

I do know that I myself don't read or write as much explicit sex now - the initial excitement/challenge of discovering that has lessened and I'm usually more interested in other parts of the story, unless the sex scenes are really integral to the plot and characterization or really deftly written. I have heard a few other people say "I used to only read NC-17 but now I often skim the sex."

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Date: 2015-04-06 05:29 pm (UTC)
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This is wonderful! Well, I mean, the fact Harry STILL isn't getting his fair share of bumming is a tragedy, of course. ;) but your stats and data are lovely.

I keep feeling bad every time you thank me, because I did so very little and I did intend to do more! But I'll try to chip in again if you do go for it and look at other fests. It is fascinating.

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Date: 2015-04-06 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophie-french.livejournal.com
This is great, and I just love stats like these. Thank you so much for doing this, and I look forward to reading more!!! :D

Date: 2015-04-09 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dicta-contrion.livejournal.com
So very late to this party because life, but goodness, this is a thing of beauty. The tables, the graphs, the methodology. Swooning here. Thank you so much for organizing and analyzing this!!!! It's totally fascinating and feels like such a big thing towards understanding fandom.

And fully in support of gathering more data! Would you definitely do other fests, vs a random sample from major archives? (If you do go fest, I would make an argument for hols/erised over smoochfest, inasmuch as I could see the happy ending requirement influencing characterization and, in turn, who tops, as discussed above.) Would you consider including other variables? Can this be a thing? (will totally be on board to be more helpful in a few weeks!)

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